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- From: an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Anthony Hill)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: Why 33600?
- Date: 15 Apr 1996 20:03:05 GMT
- Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
- Sender: an171@freenet2.carleton.ca (Anthony Hill)
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- Reply-To: an171@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Anthony Hill)
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- Ed Starry (estarry@oro.net) writes:
- > an514295@anon.penet.fi (RadioMan) wrote about {Re: Why 33600?} in
- > 'comp.dcom.modems'...
- >
- > ~estarry@oro.net (Ed Starry) wrote:
- >
- > ~>: Not really! If people would start demanding (and using) 'cached serial
- > ~>:ports' they would discover even 14.4's are much faster than they realize. To
- > ~>:me this increasing of the Analog Rate is a marketing ploy.
- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- > ~What the hell is a "cached serial port"? FIFO buffers are commonly used
- > ~to cache data, but the fact remains that a 28.8 modem, which can transfer
- > ~data at 3000-3300 cps, IS FASTER than a 14.4 modem, which transfers data at
- > ~1400-1600 cps. "Cacheing" data means little when the modem itself won't
- > ~move it in and out of your computer faster.
- >
- > ~Think of it like a water pipe. A larger diameter pipe is capable of
- > ~transfering the same amount of water (data) much faster than a smaller pipe
- > ~can. Adding a water holding tank (cache) will not improve the actual
- > ~transfer rate through the system.
- >
- > ~I suspect you have never used a 28.8 modem or this conversation would not
- > ~be occuring.
- > ===========================================
- >
- > If you have a CD-ROM or HD with a RAM cache turn it off then come back and
- > tell me it didn't make a bit of difference. I don't need a 28.8 modem when I
- > can transfer data at 6-7,000 cps with a 14.4. A cached serial port has two
- > separate 1,024 byte (or greater) RAM buffers, one on each side of the serial
- > port. I thought of your water pipe and the next thing that came to mind was
- > pressure. You use a 28.8 with 10 lbs. of pressure and I use a 14.4 with 100
- > lbs. of pressure. There's a matter of compression, my 14.4 modem compresses
- > data and your 28.8 doesn't!
- >
- > It never ceases to amaze me why people think a 14.4 won't go over 1,600 cps,
- > they must be living in a cave. There are 14.4 modems rated at 115,200 bps
- > and as difficult as it is to believe they will run at this rate. Any modem
- > will run at their advertised DTE rate if the serial port is cached and the
- > operator knows how to configure the system. You've been told that modems
- > won't compress for such a long time you believe it. Compression is alive and
- > well for those of us that know how to make it work! Anyone that sets their
- > DTE rate below specifications is guilty of shooting themselves in the foot.
- > Are you running your modem at its rated DTE speed? I am! 14.4@115,200.
- >
- > A 14.4 modem running at 115,200 is no slower than a 28.8 running at 115,200.
- > 28.8's running at 230,400 are a different matter, they are faster.
- >
- > PS: If you don't know what a cached serial port is and how they work don't
- > condemn them. DTE is the measure of data flow and 115,200 is 115,200 whether
- > it be from a 14.4 or a 28.8!!!
-
- I hate to say it, but this is a whole load of non-sense. Sure you
- can compress some data (eg text files), sometimes you can get even better
- then 3:1 compression with v.42bis. With a few types of files you can get
- REALLY good compression, but for the most part people trasfer
- pre-compressed data (eg .ZIPs, .JPGs, etc.), which just can not be
- compressed any further. If you don't believe this, try it for yourself.
- Get a compressed .ZIP file (not one that's just archived with .ZIP but not
- compressed), or better yet get the 4th test file from the set of standard
- test files (4X10.TST or something like that) and transfer it between two
- modems connected to your Hayes ESP II cards, then transfer it between these
- same two modems connected to conventional 16550 UART serial cards and
- compare the transfer rates. The difference (if any) will be VERY small.
-
- Anthony
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